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#41 yibomb

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Posted 01 January 2016 - 08:42 PM

Hey guys I have now shot around 250 rounds through my S&W. No failures everything is working fine one thing I noticed was when I used my bore snake to clean my barrel, I saw a little chip or something in the crown of the barrel. I will try to get better pictures to show you guys. Main question is, will this chip affect my accuracy? Should I send the barrel back to S&W sense i have a lifetime warranty?

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Posted 01 January 2016 - 10:28 PM

Hey guys I have now shot around 250 rounds through my S&W. No failures everything is working fine one thing I noticed was when I used my bore snake to clean my barrel, I saw a little chip or something in the crown of the barrel. I will try to get better pictures to show you guys. Main question is, will this chip affect my accuracy? Should I send the barrel back to S&W sense i have a lifetime warranty?


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Posted 01 January 2016 - 11:01 PM

Damn I should have bought a Glock 34. Sent S&W an email and got,

We will be closed through January 3rd for the holidays. Please contact us again starting January 4th and we will be more than happy to help you with your request.

 

 

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Posted 02 January 2016 - 06:11 PM

You bought the right gun. If it's more comfortable for you that's the one you want. S&W will make it right, so don't sweat it, if it's accuracy is good you may even get to keep it for a spare. The argument over which is better Glock or S&W is crap. They are both like the energizer bunny, they will run and run. It's a personal choice. There are some advantages to both, I think the M&P gets an edge over Glock but neither is a bad choice unless you shoot the other one better.

As for the 115 grain bullets I can't really see it applying at 9mm velocities, but it's possible that a light weight high velocity bullet can disintegrate too fast upon impact and not transfer it's energy as well. For instance if you load up a 5 grain tiny caliber projectile and fire it at 40 bazillion FPS, it'll mathmatically make PF. But it's just going to disintegrate and not do much more than make a little vapor cloud at the target. I doubt that it's an issue with 9mm though. Use quality ammo and get good hits, the steel will go down.

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Posted 02 January 2016 - 09:26 PM

As for the 115 grain bullets I can't really see it applying at 9mm velocities, but it's possible that a light weight high velocity bullet can disintegrate too fast upon impact and not transfer it's energy as well. For instance if you load up a 5 grain tiny caliber projectile and fire it at 40 bazillion FPS, it'll mathmatically make PF. But it's just going to disintegrate and not do much more than make a little vapor cloud at the target. I doubt that it's an issue with 9mm though. Use quality ammo and get good hits, the steel will go down.


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Posted 02 January 2016 - 10:10 PM

KE isn't the thing. Momentum is the thing. Momentum is conserved in all collisions.


Still talking about mass and velocity. But at impact you lose some momentum when the projectile deforms. That energy is transferred to the bullet instead of the target. My example is an extreme exaggeration of that.


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Posted 02 January 2016 - 10:13 PM

But at impact you lose some momentum when the projectile deforms.


Nope. KE is bled off in deformation, not momentum. The momentum of both the bullet and the steel after the collision, when summed, will equal the original momentum of the bullet regardless of deformation.
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Posted 03 January 2016 - 04:16 AM

I just went to the range, first day at the new range,only 2 miles from my house and club matches every week. I talked to the range master there and he looked at the barrel and said it was fine. Talked to some old man who ran his own custom rifle shop inside the range/proshop. He looked at the barrel with a something magnified and told me its fine because its on a very wide rifling, don't remember what he said 100% but I would take his word for it sense he seemed knowledgeable. Talked to my chiropractor(has been competitive shooting for a few years) when he came to the range and showed him the barrel and he said it should be fine too. Shot his M&P 40 5" with all apex parts beside the actual trigger, somewhere around 3 pounds. From 7 yards my group was much tighter and I was shooting faster with his set up, I stacked a few in a 5 shot group which I have never done with a handgun. Sorta caught me off guard on the first shot b.c I just barley tapped the trigger.  Now thinking about it I should have asked to shoot his gun with my 9mm barrel b.c he has 2 slides, 9mm and 40s&w. My conclusion is to call S&W on Monday and look into buying some apex stuff maybe the whole she bang.



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Posted 03 January 2016 - 04:59 AM

If you're going for a full out limited build for the M&P, you'll be doing yourself a disservice if you don't get the full kit with trigger and forward set sear.

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Posted 03 January 2016 - 06:30 AM

I just spent $450 on range member ship and Apex flat-faced trigger kit. Guns are too addicting

 

edit: do i have to worry about this?Requires use of sear housing block designed for large size sear plunger and spring (current production as of June 2011)



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Posted 03 January 2016 - 10:04 AM

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No need to worry about your sear block. Your Apex Kit on a new M&P will fit. I hope you have long fingers, because that is what your
flat face trigger is for. I owned an M&P, and my wife currently is shooting the 9mm M&P pro. Of course it has the Competition AEK trigger kit from Apex, the triggers are the worst thing about the M&Ps every single one of them. Nothing smooth about them. They literally grind their way through the trigger pull. Thus the notion to dry fire it, a multitude of times. My wife Kelly wore her barrel out after several thousand rounds to the point the accuracy suffered even in the hands of a more experienced shooter. Now she has a Wilson Combat Stainless Steel competition barrel. Wow factor on the accuracy. The grip has stippling. An Apex RAM or reset assist mechanism. Simply a pin that fits into an existing hole that magnifies the feel and sound of your reset mechanism. She also has Proctor Knotch sights. I have installed numerous trigger Kits as well for the M&Ps. They are great guns, but the triggers are the worst out there. The Glock and the XDM 5.25 have rectangular slots cut out on top to make the slides lighter. I don't know if this enables a faster cycling, but I do know that as a reloader it allows for lighter loads on the XDM than what the M&P pro will shoot for unsanctioned matches. The Glock has a better trigger, but the magazines are plastic and do not eject easily. The M&P mags come out easily without shaking the gun or having to pull out the magazine when empty. The XDM will eject the magazines with some force behind it. Have fun. Yes they can become addicting. If your not having fun... I don't get it. Ha ha

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Posted 06 January 2016 - 04:08 PM

I got bored waiting for my apex trigger that comes today and used my 2 year old gift card to Zumiez. Got a piece of 5$ 31"x9" M.O.B. grip tape. I have done about 10+ grip jobs on skateboards from my skateboarding days, so I made my own version of Talons grips. Still have 95% of the grip tape. There is also a small strip under the trigger guard.

 

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Posted 07 January 2016 - 04:49 AM

Done with trigger job. Night and day with dry fire. Range early morning to test out the Apex Kit. Ran some Dot drills last range day and I did horrible, maybe only 2-3 made pair of shots. Don't have my holster so I am just holding it from my waste then firing two times within 5 seconds. Shot around 3 magazines, my splits were the bad to maybe 1.2 average. I wrote most of it down at least my hits so i can compare day to day. Also wrote down any things i noticed, shot about a magazine way to fast and was missing everything and had like 2-1.5 seconds left, made sure I slowed down and focused on trigger control. Main focus for myself is on making the two shots not speed.

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Posted 07 January 2016 - 08:01 AM

I am sure you have already been aware, but if you do shoot that in USPSA, you either have to shoot Limited Minor, or Open Minor. To shoot it in Production, you will have to swap the trigger itself back to the factory trigger, and remove the grip tape from the frame forward the grip. :) Sounds like you are having fun with it though.

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Posted 07 January 2016 - 06:47 PM

Yeah that doesn't bother me shooting in a non production. Was still thinking of buying a Glock 19 later down the road when I find a good deal. If I want to shoot production Glock 19 will be nice sense it will be my carry.

 

Main thing is after this morning I cant wait to go back and shot more with the new Apex flat trigger kit. Most my shots where within 2 inches of each other. Night and day difference. I am back off to the range after I finish my delicious gyro.

 

One quick question for competition pistols with a light like a Streamlight TLR. What class can have lights mounted?



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Posted 07 January 2016 - 07:11 PM

They are amazing triggers. Congrats on the build. Sounds like you are having fun.

Just wanted to make sure you were aware so you didn't get a surprise when you come shoot this crazy game. :)

Enjoy!!

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Posted 21 February 2016 - 11:47 AM

Sorry to pile on this thread, but I wanted to make sure I understood something. My range has uspsa "lite" matches where I suppose the rules are rather relaxed as I did not see any sort of gun inspection. I saw all types of guns in the match.

I am running a hk vp 9 and I purchased an extended match threaded barrel and a spring set for the trigger. If I want to shoot the normal uspsa or their idpa matches do those modifications put be in anything other than a "beginner" class"?

If yes, can I just swap the barrel and keep,the springs....the springs took me an hour to change ( I had never done anything like that before, maybe it would be faster the second time)

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Posted 21 February 2016 - 01:37 PM

The best answer would probably be I recommend you go to the USPSa website and go to the rules section and download the handgun rule book. Read through it especially the appendices that talk about the different classes and weapon and Holster restrictions

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Posted 27 February 2016 - 05:36 PM

Just go to the "lite" matches and shoot,watch, and ask alot of questions. Most smaller action shooting/lite uspsa matches dont require you to have a saftey card. If you plan on going to a sanctioned USPSA match you will need a safety card. I went to my first match last week and was told i could not shoot because i didn't have a safety card. Schedual a safety check with a Range officer and you will get an overview of the whole USPSA sport and if the officer feels you are safe to shoot a match you will get a safety card.



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Posted 27 February 2016 - 06:14 PM

I've never heard of a "safety card" and I've never attended any training for one. That must be a region or match specific thing. I would strongly recommend finding someone with experience and having them help you for your first match. Usually there will be a new shooters brief before most matches that may or may not be useful. I watched a ton of YouTube before my first match and that helped a lot.


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